Past record of UK police re terrorism?

Post by kenn
Wonder if anyone has considered the long and appalling list of blunders, fit
ups, and intances of stupidity, in relation to the UK police dealing with
the IRA mainland bombing campaign in the past? Things dont improve with time
it seems!
ken

Hello ken,

You seem very screwed up. You must have had a very unpleasant experience at
the hands of law enforcement officers and are very reluctant to share your
experiences with us, why don't you? You may find it very uplifting to "get
it off your chest"
I started off thinking you were probably of Asian stock but now you've
completely thrown me, are you Irish or perhaps Asian/Irish (This would
certainly explain your massive chip!!).

Richard

kenn

2005-07-24 16:56:05 UTC

Hello ken,
You seem very screwed up. You must have had a very unpleasant experience at
the hands of law enforcement officers and are very reluctant to share your
experiences with us, why don't you? You may find it very uplifting to "get
it off your chest"
I started off thinking you were probably of Asian stock but now you've
completely thrown me, are you Irish or perhaps Asian/Irish (This would
certainly explain your massive chip!!).
Richard

It seems easy to ignore lessons of whats happened in the past. Whether or
not I like or dislike the police, has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that
they fucked up the way they handled the IRA bombing campaign big time, and
this resulted in many deaths which could otherwise have been avoided.

ken

Mike

2005-07-24 17:03:07 UTC

Post by Richard
Hello ken,
You seem very screwed up. You must have had a very unpleasant experience

Post by Richard
the hands of law enforcement officers and are very reluctant to share your
experiences with us, why don't you? You may find it very uplifting to "get
it off your chest"
I started off thinking you were probably of Asian stock but now you've
completely thrown me, are you Irish or perhaps Asian/Irish (This would
certainly explain your massive chip!!).
Richard

Have you noticed that "ken" (not his real name) has not answered the
questions and has deviated from the thread to ask another
question?????????????????

Mike
don't you just hate me "ken"???????

I know who you are ;-)

kenn

2005-07-24 17:11:03 UTC

Post by Mike

Post by Richard
Hello ken,
You seem very screwed up. You must have had a very unpleasant experience

Post by Richard
the hands of law enforcement officers and are very reluctant to share

your

Post by Richard
experiences with us, why don't you? You may find it very uplifting to

"get

Post by Richard
it off your chest"
I started off thinking you were probably of Asian stock but now you've
completely thrown me, are you Irish or perhaps Asian/Irish (This would
certainly explain your massive chip!!).
Richard

It seems easy to ignore lessons of whats happened in the past. Whether or
not I like or dislike the police, has no bearing whatsoever on the fact

that

Post by kenn
they fucked up the way they handled the IRA bombing campaign big time, and
this resulted in many deaths which could otherwise have been avoided.
ken

Have you noticed that "ken" (not his real name) has not answered the
questions and has deviated from the thread to ask another
question?????????????????
Mike
don't you just hate me "ken"???????
I know who you are ;-)

Perhaps you are quite comfortable with the fuckwit performance of the UK
police, and feel that that any consideration of their appalling past record
in dealing with terrorism, is of far less consequence than my own feelings
about the police?

ken

Mike

2005-07-24 17:38:32 UTC

Side stepping again?

Of course you are! ;-))

I have you on the run don't I?

Oh how you now wish you had not crossed me before :-))

wriggle man, bloody wriggle

:-))))))))))))))))

kenn

2005-07-24 17:50:13 UTC

Post by Mike
Side stepping again?
Of course you are! ;-))
I have you on the run don't I?
Oh how you now wish you had not crossed me before :-))
wriggle man, bloody wriggle
:-))))))))))))))))

If you feel that my objecting to you wrongly denouncing someone as a child
molestor, is in some way reflective of "crossing" you, then it would seem
that you are certainly much more of a cunt than you appear on the surface.

ken

Mike

2005-07-24 18:01:47 UTC

If you feel that my objecting to you wrongly denouncing someone as a child

Post by kenn
molestor, is in some way reflective of "crossing" you, then it would seem
that you are certainly much more of a cunt than you appear on the surface.
ken

Oh how convenient for you to "forget" :-)))))

Run.

Squirm.

Wriggle.

:-)))))))

To be a liar, you have to have a good memory. I don't have a good memory, so
I don't lie. :-)))))))

He He He!!! Got you 'KEN', 'RICHARD', 'KENNY', 'GASPODE' Still looking like
the 'Red Priest'???????

:-)))))

Bloody liar. What are you?

:-)))))))))))

Mike
Who never knowingly tells lies ;-)) Does he? "KEN"

kenn

2005-07-24 18:06:07 UTC

Post by kenn
If you feel that my objecting to you wrongly denouncing someone as a child

Post by kenn
molestor, is in some way reflective of "crossing" you, then it would seem
that you are certainly much more of a cunt than you appear on the surface.
ken

Oh how convenient for you to "forget" :-)))))
Run.
Squirm.
Wriggle.
:-)))))))
To be a liar, you have to have a good memory. I don't have a good memory, so
I don't lie. :-)))))))
He He He!!! Got you 'KEN', 'RICHARD', 'KENNY', 'GASPODE' Still looking like
the 'Red Priest'???????
:-)))))
Bloody liar. What are you?
:-)))))))))))
Mike
Who never knowingly tells lies ;-)) Does he? "KEN"

In the recent past I have only posted using my real name "Ken or Kenneth"
and unlike yourself do not feel any need to post anonymously................

ken

Mike

2005-07-24 18:08:15 UTC

Post by kenn
In the recent past

:-))

and the distant past?

Richard?

Gaspode?

etc etc etc

but of course you will lie and say 'not me sir'

and your 'REAL' name ;-)

:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Enforcement Officer

2005-07-24 20:20:04 UTC

Post by kenn
In the recent past I have only posted using my real name "Ken or Kenneth"
and unlike yourself do not feel any need to post

anonymously................

Post by kenn
ken

You only stated just recently in a posting in uk local southwest that you
"dont" go by your real name I must google for it.
Now David Tilley is Ken your real name? No I dont think it is.

John of Aix

2005-07-24 18:28:25 UTC

Post by Mike

Post by Richard
Hello ken,
You seem very screwed up. You must have had a very unpleasant
experience at the hands of law enforcement officers and are very
reluctant to share your experiences with us, why don't you? You may
find it very uplifting to "get it off your chest"
I started off thinking you were probably of Asian stock but now
you've completely thrown me, are you Irish or perhaps Asian/Irish
(This would certainly explain your massive chip!!).
Richard

It seems easy to ignore lessons of whats happened in the past.
Whether or not I like or dislike the police, has no bearing
whatsoever on the fact that they fucked up the way they handled the
IRA bombing campaign big time, and this resulted in many deaths
which could otherwise have been avoided.
ken

Have you noticed that "ken" (not his real name) has not answered the
questions and has deviated from the thread to ask another
question?????????????????

Richard didn't ask a question, he just made disparaging general
comments. You are not doing any better. The 'question' was whether the
British police had screwed up then or now and whether they had learn
lessons or not from their past experience. Neither of you even came near
discussing those points. Do try harder. I don't know who this 'kenn' is
nor do I know who you or Richard are, such is crossposting, but so far I
see one reasonable poster and two idiots.

Richard

2005-07-24 17:10:28 UTC

Post by kenn
Wonder if anyone has considered the long and appalling list of
blunders,
fit
ups, and intances of stupidity, in relation to the UK police dealing

with

Post by kenn
the IRA mainland bombing campaign in the past? Things dont improve with time
it seems!
ken

Hello ken,
You seem very screwed up. You must have had a very unpleasant experience

ken,

How would you have dealt with the situations, you sound as if you have first
hand experience of security issues so perhaps you could share your ideas
with us. I am a complete novice on matters of this sort and can only
criticise from the comfort of my lounge so I would value your "expert views"
as to what should be done.

regards

Richard

kenn

2005-07-24 17:33:14 UTC

Post by kenn
Wonder if anyone has considered the long and appalling list of
blunders,
fit
ups, and intances of stupidity, in relation to the UK police dealing

with

Post by kenn
the IRA mainland bombing campaign in the past? Things dont improve

with

Post by kenn
time
it seems!
ken

Hello ken,
You seem very screwed up. You must have had a very unpleasant experience

ken,
How would you have dealt with the situations, you sound as if you have first
hand experience of security issues so perhaps you could share your ideas
with us. I am a complete novice on matters of this sort and can only
criticise from the comfort of my lounge so I would value your "expert views"
as to what should be done.
regards
Richard

Firstly the so called "intelligence" relating to security issues seems
deeply flawed, and this in combination with police officers many of whom do
not appear to be very bright, means that other than PR exercises (such as
fitting up supposed IRA bombers in the 70s), there is perhaps not a lot that
can be done, unless the whole of the security and police sevices were to be
extensively remodelled, which would take many years and cost an enormous
amount of money.

ken

Art in Heaven

2005-07-24 20:49:18 UTC

Post by kenn
It seems easy to ignore lessons of whats happened in the past. Whether or
not I like or dislike the police, has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that
they fucked up the way they handled the IRA bombing campaign big time, and
this resulted in many deaths which could otherwise have been avoided.
ken

Actually, what really would have resulted in fewer deaths would have been
those Irish cunts not setting off bombs and killing innocent people, just
like the Muslim cunts are doing now.

kenn

2005-07-24 20:54:03 UTC

Actually, what really would have resulted in fewer deaths would have been
those Irish cunts not setting off bombs and killing innocent people, just
like the Muslim cunts are doing now.

In relation to recent attacks in London do you not feel that bush/blair have
now suceeded in their objective of instigating a "war on terror"?

After all murdering defenceless civilians with cluster boombs, and main
battle tanks, can hardly be construed as a "war" can it?

ken

Mike

2005-07-24 17:01:42 UTC

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:31:08 +0000 (UTC), "kenn"

<YAWN>

Uncle Fester

2005-07-24 17:50:57 UTC

They did - they should have shot a lot more the IRA terrorists who put
their hands up when faced with people who could shoot back.

Shoot to kill should be the standard way to deal with all terrorists.

Grant

2005-07-24 18:19:01 UTC

Post by Uncle Fester
Shoot to kill should be the standard way to deal with all terrorists.

What does a terrorist look like? the policemen that shot an innocent man in
Stockwell Tube station thought they knew! I reckon you probably look like a
terrorist as well.
The Birmingham Six the Guildford four to name just 10 would be dead now as
well. There are lots of examples where the police get it wrong.

Fisherman

2005-07-24 18:33:07 UTC

Post by Uncle Fester
Shoot to kill should be the standard way to deal with all terrorists.

What does a terrorist look like? the policemen that shot an innocent man
in Stockwell Tube station thought they knew! I reckon you probably look
like a terrorist as well.
The Birmingham Six the Guildford four to name just 10 would be dead now as
well. There are lots of examples where the police get it wrong.

Unfortunately there will never be a perfect police force. Every profession
makes mistakes.

Doctors make mistakes and people die
Social workers make mistakes and people die.
Drivers make mistakes and people die
Police make mistakes and people die.

It would be interesting to total up the numbers killed in each category in a
year, and rank them.

kenn

2005-07-24 19:02:20 UTC

Post by Fisherman

Post by Uncle Fester
Shoot to kill should be the standard way to deal with all terrorists.

What does a terrorist look like? the policemen that shot an innocent man
in Stockwell Tube station thought they knew! I reckon you probably look
like a terrorist as well.
The Birmingham Six the Guildford four to name just 10 would be dead now as
well. There are lots of examples where the police get it wrong.

Unfortunately there will never be a perfect police force. Every profession
makes mistakes.
Doctors make mistakes and people die
Social workers make mistakes and people die.
Drivers make mistakes and people die
Police make mistakes and people die.
It would be interesting to total up the numbers killed in each category in a
year, and rank them.

Only difference is that members of each and every one of the other
professions you mention would be held accountable for their mistakes.

The fact that the police are not accountable to anyone, is not something
that inspires any great amount of confidence in them.

ken

Uncle Fester

2005-07-24 18:54:45 UTC

Post by Uncle Fester
Shoot to kill should be the standard way to deal with all terrorists.

What does a terrorist look like? the policemen that shot an innocent man in
Stockwell Tube station thought they knew! I reckon you probably look like a
terrorist as well.

A pathetic squib of a reply. The copper shot the prat because of his
reactions, not what he looked like.

Post by Grant
The Birmingham Six the Guildford four to name just 10 would be dead now as
well. There are lots of examples where the police get it wrong.

None of those died. Your point is bollocks.

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2005-07-24 18:59:06 UTC

Post by Uncle Fester
Shoot to kill should be the standard way to deal with all terrorists.

What does a terrorist look like? the policemen that shot an innocent man in
Stockwell Tube station thought they knew! I reckon you probably look like a
terrorist as well.

A pathetic squib of a reply. The copper shot the prat because of his
reactions, not what he looked like.

Post by Grant
The Birmingham Six the Guildford four to name just 10 would be dead now as
well. There are lots of examples where the police get it wrong.

None of those died. Your point is bollocks.

So, what would you do if you saw a load of screaming men running towards you,
some of them presumably Black,
not wearing police uniforms, pulling guns in an area notorious for muggings and
gangsta shootings?

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

Uncle Fester

2005-07-24 20:22:21 UTC

Post by Dirk Bruere at Neopax
So, what would you do if you saw a load of screaming men running towards you,
some of them presumably Black,
not wearing police uniforms, pulling guns in an area notorious for muggings and
gangsta shootings?

Let them pass to grab the fucker they're after.

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2005-07-24 20:29:01 UTC

Let them pass to grab the fucker they're after.

Except, of course, it's you that they are obviously after.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

Uncle Fester

2005-07-24 21:56:59 UTC

Post by Dirk Bruere at Neopax

Let them pass to grab the fucker they're after.

Except, of course, it's you that they are obviously after.

So? I can't outrun a bullet. You've been watching them Sweenie reruns
and think they were documentaries.

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

2005-07-24 22:31:08 UTC

Post by Dirk Bruere at Neopax

Let them pass to grab the fucker they're after.

Except, of course, it's you that they are obviously after.

So? I can't outrun a bullet. You've been watching them Sweenie reruns
and think they were documentaries.

Well, there are things called 'corners', plus the fact that most gangstas
couldn't hit someone at twenty metres unless it was their lucky day.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

kenn

2005-07-24 19:04:43 UTC

Post by Uncle Fester
Shoot to kill should be the standard way to deal with all terrorists.

What does a terrorist look like? the policemen that shot an innocent man in
Stockwell Tube station thought they knew! I reckon you probably look like a
terrorist as well.

A pathetic squib of a reply. The copper shot the prat because of his
reactions, not what he looked like.

Post by Grant
The Birmingham Six the Guildford four to name just 10 would be dead now as
well. There are lots of examples where the police get it wrong.

None of those died. Your point is bollocks.

Each and every word you post is bollocks, and your IQ does seem to be lower
than a dwarfs shoe size.

ken

Art in Heaven

2005-07-24 20:58:00 UTC

Post by Uncle Fester
Shoot to kill should be the standard way to deal with all terrorists.

What does a terrorist look like? the policemen that shot an innocent man
in Stockwell Tube station thought they knew! I reckon you probably look
like a terrorist as well.
The Birmingham Six the Guildford four to name just 10 would be dead now as
well. There are lots of examples where the police get it wrong.

The 'Birmingham six' had been attending the funeral of an IRA terrorist, and
they deserved to die for that.

Steve Lispcombe

2005-07-25 15:28:12 UTC

"Art in Heaven" <***@b.com> wrote in message news:shTEe.187610$***@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
The 'Birmingham six' had been attending the funeral of an IRA terrorist, and

they deserved to die for that. "

Well said, they may have been cleared but there are still plenty who think
they were guilty anyway. Shot to kill, shot first ask later. Simple and
effective.

kenny

2005-07-25 16:59:54 UTC

Post by Art in Heaven
The 'Birmingham six' had been attending the funeral of an IRA terrorist, and

they deserved to die for that. "

Well said, they may have been cleared but there are still plenty who think
they were guilty anyway. Shot to kill, shot first ask later. Simple and
effective.

Bearing in mind the number of innocent people gunned down by the piggies
over the years, it would seem that policy has been in force for a very long
time.

ken

2005-07-25 17:55:59 UTC

Post by Art in Heaven
The 'Birmingham six' had been attending the funeral of an IRA terrorist,

and

they deserved to die for that. "

Well said, they may have been cleared but there are still plenty who think
they were guilty anyway. Shot to kill, shot first ask later. Simple and
effective.

Bearing in mind the number of innocent people gunned down by the piggies
over the years, it would seem that policy has been in force for a very long
time.
ken

in your world

kenny

2005-07-25 18:27:35 UTC

Post by Art in Heaven
The 'Birmingham six' had been attending the funeral of an IRA terrorist,

and

they deserved to die for that. "

Well said, they may have been cleared but there are still plenty who think
they were guilty anyway. Shot to kill, shot first ask later. Simple and
effective.

Bearing in mind the number of innocent people gunned down by the piggies
over the years, it would seem that policy has been in force for a very long
time.
ken

in your world

No actually well documented matter of public record...........as is the fact
that not one piggie has been punished for murdering innocent people!

ken

2005-07-25 18:41:13 UTC

Post by Art in Heaven
The 'Birmingham six' had been attending the funeral of an IRA terrorist,

and

they deserved to die for that. "

Well said, they may have been cleared but there are still plenty who

think

Post by Art in Heaven
they were guilty anyway. Shot to kill, shot first ask later. Simple and
effective.

Bearing in mind the number of innocent people gunned down by the piggies
over the years, it would seem that policy has been in force for a very

long

Post by kenny
time.
ken

in your world

No actually well documented matter of public record...........as is the fact
that not one piggie has been punished for murdering innocent people!
ken

what is well documented is the long trial, where the policeman in
question was suspended..he was aquited on member of the publics
evidence, not the police and continued a career that until that point
had been exemplar. He also spent a long time in councilling and had a
private meeting with the victim family, during which he was forgiven.

EXCEPT IN YOU WORLD

kenny

2005-07-25 21:36:08 UTC

Post by Art in Heaven
The 'Birmingham six' had been attending the funeral of an IRA terrorist,

and

they deserved to die for that. "

Well said, they may have been cleared but there are still plenty who

think

Post by Art in Heaven
they were guilty anyway. Shot to kill, shot first ask later. Simple and
effective.

Bearing in mind the number of innocent people gunned down by the piggies
over the years, it would seem that policy has been in force for a very

long

Post by kenny
time.
ken

in your world

No actually well documented matter of public record...........as is the fact
that not one piggie has been punished for murdering innocent people!
ken

I wonder what the fuck you are talking about? Why on earth do you keep
spouting utter bollocks!

Piggies that murder innocent people need stringing up...........full stop.

ken

mike hide

2005-07-28 00:05:11 UTC

Post by Art in Heaven
The 'Birmingham six' had been attending the funeral of an IRA

terrorist,

Post by kenny
and

they deserved to die for that. "

Well said, they may have been cleared but there are still plenty who

think

Post by Art in Heaven
they were guilty anyway. Shot to kill, shot first ask later. Simple

and

Post by Art in Heaven
effective.

Bearing in mind the number of innocent people gunned down by the

piggies

Post by kenny
over the years, it would seem that policy has been in force for a very

long

Post by kenny
time.
ken

in your world

No actually well documented matter of public record...........as is

the

Post by Art in Heaven
fact

Post by kenny
that not one piggie has been punished for murdering innocent people!
ken

I wonder what the fuck you are talking about? Why on earth do you keep
spouting utter bollocks!
Piggies that murder innocent people need stringing up...........full stop.
ken
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small
children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around
the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah,
raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock 40, and you are
an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your
family.
What do you do?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or oppressed?
Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
Could we run away?
What does my wife think?
What about the kids?
Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of
his hand? What does the law say about this situation!?
Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?
Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does
this send to society and to my children?
Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound
me?
If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while
he was stabbing me?
Should I call 9-1-1?
Why is this street so deserted?
We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this happier,
healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
This is all so confusing! ! I need to debate this with some friends
for few days and try to come to a consensus.
BANG!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
click.....(sounds of reloading).
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click
Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver
Tips?".

R. Mark Clayton

2005-07-25 22:32:33 UTC

"kenny" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:dc3aum$j84

snip

Post by kenny
No actually well documented matter of public record...........as is the fact
that not one piggie has been punished for murdering innocent people!
ken

What about the ones who shot James Ashley when he was naked in bed?

kenny

2005-07-25 23:16:30 UTC

Post by R. Mark Clayton
snip

Post by kenny
No actually well documented matter of public record...........as is the fact
that not one piggie has been punished for murdering innocent people!
ken

What about the ones who shot James Ashley when he was naked in bed?

They were promoted, but blunkett forced the chief cuntstable of that force
to resign though!

ken

n***@virgin.net

2005-07-28 13:46:11 UTC

Post by Uncle Fester
Shoot to kill should be the standard way to deal with all terrorists.

What does a terrorist look like? the policemen that shot an innocent man
in Stockwell Tube station thought they knew! I reckon you probably look
like a terrorist as well.
The Birmingham Six the Guildford four to name just 10 would be dead now as
well. There are lots of examples where the police get it wrong.

The 'Birmingham six' had been attending the funeral of an IRA terrorist, and
they deserved to die for that.

Statement factually incorrect in two respects.

Surf

2005-08-09 11:59:34 UTC

Post by n***@virgin.net